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Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby infinite_ » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:07 pm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16 ... anonymity/
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/17/ ... -Anonymity
> http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/securi ... 697,00.htm
"Eugene Kaspersky, CEO of well-known computer security company Kaspersky Labs, is calling for an end to the anonymity of the Internet, and for the creation of mandatory 'Internet passports' for anyone who wishes to browse the Web. Says Kaspersky, 'Everyone should and must have an identification, or internet passport ... the internet was designed not for public use, but for American scientists and the US military. Then it was introduced to the public, and it was wrong ... to introduce it in the same way.' He calls anonymity 'the Internet's biggest security vulnerability' and thinks any country that doesn't follow this regime should be 'cut off.' The EFF objects, and it's likely that they won't be the only ones."
"I'd like to change the design of the internet by introducing regulation - internet passports, internet police and international agreement - about following internet standards," he continued. "And if some countries don't agree with or don't pay attention to the agreement, just cut them off."
While Eugene's intentions might be for the good and he might just want the best for the internet and it's users, he is gravely misguided if he believes an global internet ID is the answer. Why would this fail? Three reasons to start with:
  1. The international co-ordination just isn't there. There would probably be 10-15 countries that would join into this ID system, but what about the other 100-odd that matter?
  2. The cost required to implement this. A lot of countries will be recovering from the GFC for a few years and have better things to spend their money on.
  3. I would hope that the world's internet users would see this is a potentially nasty gateway system for introducing additional Big Brother systems -- China and Israel come to mind.
It's important to mention that this isn't the first time a global online ID system has been mentioned in the media: a few months ago, internet licenses, similar to a driver's license, were mentioned here in Australia (you can read a post about it @ http://www.antilimit.net). While I disagree that these systems will benefit anyone but the Governments, I am positive it's only a matter of time until said Governments ignore the people and implement them anyway.

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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby foldingstock » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:46 pm

"Internet licenses" will do as much to prevent online crime as "Drivers licenses" do to prevent wrecks and make sure people know how to operate a vehicle correctly. How many people on average operate vehicles on an expired or no license at all?
I would hope that the world's internet users would see this is a potentially nasty gateway system for introducing additional Big Brother systems -- China and Israel come to mind.
If only... Groups of people, like groups of people eligible to vote, are easily manipulated. All it would take to get people to not just like, but want this level of government control would be for a few people in the spotlight (politicians, actors, musicians, etc) to speak about how this will "protect innocent people and children." That will sell a good 60-80% of average morons. This is just in democratic societies. In communist/dictator regimes (*cough*China*cough*), the opinion of "the people" doesn't even matter.

Governments around the world probably will implement systems like this in one form or fashion. People will circumvent it, innocent people will have to spend unnecessary money to prove their innocence in court, and people that are bent on doing "bad" things will continue with this attitude largely unharmed.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby Aiden » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:48 pm

The rational part of me wants to fight this, but the part of me that wants to take over the world wants to embrace it.

It's ridiculous, imo. Not only will it make Big Brother programs 1000x easier to implement, but it'll be ineffective. Folding compared them to driver's licenses, which tell people IRL who you are; they're a form of identification, and people verify that they are indeed yours by checking if your picture matches the one on the card.

You can't do that on the Internets. I could use Folding's card (or a fake one, similar to how people make fake driver's licenses) without looking a thing like him. The thing with these "Internet IDs," as it seems, is that as long as you have one, you're fine. There doesn't seem like any plausible way to confirm that it is indeed your own. Fake ones, stolen ones, borrowed ones, swapped ones, they'll all emerge in a huge wave if anything even remotely similar to this happens.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby infinite_ » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:05 pm

It's ridiculous, imo. Not only will it make Big Brother programs 1000x easier to implement, but it'll be ineffective. Folding compared them to driver's licenses, which tell people IRL who you are; they're a form of identification, and people verify that they are indeed yours by checking if your picture matches the one on the card.

You can't do that on the Internets. I could use Folding's card (or a fake one, similar to how people make fake driver's licenses) without looking a thing like him. The thing with these "Internet IDs," as it seems, is that as long as you have one, you're fine. There doesn't seem like any plausible way to confirm that it is indeed your own. Fake ones, stolen ones, borrowed ones, swapped ones, they'll all emerge in a huge wave if anything even remotely similar to this happens.
I'll reply in length when I'm home again, but for now:

You're spot on. Just because one has a global internet ID doesn't mean it can't be stolen or phished by another. The only way to link a global internet ID to the real user would be to store biological data of that user, and have the ID scanned for that data. e.g: DNA. Of course this is just not plausible or viable, unless we suddenly turn into a scene from Minority Report. Alternatively, the ID could be linked to the user's ISP account and everyone given static WAN IPs, but what if you visit an internet cafe? Or travel overseas frequently? I don't think Eugene Kaspersky has quite thought through the delicacies of this global internet ID -- if he had, he would surely see that it is full of holes and impossibilities.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby clueless » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:32 pm

There are thousands of people who get their machines infected every day, these infections would migrate from botnets to send spam into botnets to provide anonymity. This could be slightly mitigated by logging every possible connection someone makes but I'm not sure how feasible that is in the long run.
As long as there is cryptography, their systems cannot be enforced, look at the TOR project.

I must say though, I loled heartily at 'internet police'.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby stasik » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:58 am

its the start of monopolization and control. coz who have control, has the power. why does kaspersky need to know that i watched some milf porn? who control this info? what if info gets out to public? what if someone impersonates me and do some shit online? we need 'Driving License'/police for drivers so no inexperienced/drunk driver kills me or cause damage to my relatives. internet is totally different thing. pity, but i would not be surprised if his ideology would be turned into reality. for governments its an extra way of laundering money, for other its about power/control. the only one who suffer is ordinary user. i dont see how this will reduce internet crimes.

i imagine the pc (or usb devices) with the card slot. if u want to surf the net, u ll have to insert the card. every 1 will be issued with the card by THE organization. whats next? bar-code on our forehead? under skin implant?
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby foldingstock » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:50 am

Paranoid much, Stasik? :wink:
internet is totally different thing.
That is dead on. The people high enough up in governments to make these kind of decisions do not understand the technology. They have technical advisors, but this does not mean these advisors understand the technology either.

When someone who has never ridden a bicycle before tries to learn, what do they do? They fall down, several times. People that don't understand the technology they are trying to control, are going to "fall" several times.

*gets the popcorn and prepares to enjoy the show*
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby horze » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:54 pm

...While Eugene's intentions might be for the good and he might just want the best for the internet and it's users, he is gravely misguided if he believes an global internet ID is the answer. Why would this fail? Three reasons to start with:
  1. The international co-ordination just isn't there. There would probably be 10-15 countries that would join into this ID system, but what about the other 100-odd that matter?
  2. The cost required to implement this. A lot of countries will be recovering from the GFC for a few years and have better things to spend their money on.
  3. I would hope that the world's internet users would see this is a potentially nasty gateway system for introducing additional Big Brother systems -- China and Israel come to mind.
It's important to mention that this isn't the first time a global online ID system has been mentioned in the media: a few months ago, internet licenses, similar to a driver's license, were mentioned here in Australia (you can read a post about it @ http://www.antilimit.net). While I disagree that these systems will benefit anyone but the Governments, I am positive it's only a matter of time until said Governments ignore the people and implement them anyway.

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Of course this is a ridiculous but yet scaring thought!

One would not believe that it could ever happen, but I think you are right. Governments will see this as a great opportunity to gain power over the information. Information and education is in my personal opinion always the best path to self protection and it would be better to learn people how to be careful on the net.

Internet crimes will exist as long as all other sorts of crimes exists. To believe that some internet license would prevent this is like believing that there is no judge in High Court that ever watched child porno for personal purpose.
Minority Report is unfortunately less SF than one wish it to be :D and there are powerful people that would like the idea of total control over other peoples movements.

"The international co-ordination just isn't there." and thank heaven for that!
Luckily many persons that develops softwares and hardwares also dislikes the "Big Brother" attitude and thinks that information should be free. So for every BB system built there will come ten other systems to prevent it.

..and of course there will always be hackers... :D
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby mfukar » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:48 pm

Identities provide accountability, not security, Mr. Eugene "Dumbass" Kaspersky.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby horze » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:53 am

//off topic but still whit some connection to the subject of this thread ;)
I heard on the radio today that the trial in the Court of appeal against Pirate Bay will be postponed until sometimes next year. Two persons in the court has been reported as challengeable by the lawyer of the prosecuted, Per E Samuelsson. Both court member Ulrika Ihrfelt and judge Kristina Boutz has been active members in copyright associations. The supreme court must look at this before the trial starts and they do not have the time to do that before 12:th November, when the trial was supposed to start.
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby ElsaBorzoi » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:24 pm

:?

Idiot. He has a great product (although I'm beginning to hate myself for using it, and legally at that), but he has a big mouth, too. There's more to a hacker handle or Internet name than secrecy. If man made it.....

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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby TheMadScientist » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:29 am

the internet can in no way be controlled! the internet is an empty room filled by smart peoples imagination not emptyed by stupid people's.

a hacker is someone addicted to the internet and computers in general and for that reason cant be stopped. the only way to stop it crime is to destroy the internet which cant be done either as it will just be rebuild!

and to you Eugene, here is the only secure program in all of cyberspace:
Code: Select all
and even this programe can be hacked!

the internet is the world and the hackers it's gods of balance and chaos, creation and destruction, cookies and cupcakes!
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Re: Kaspersky CEO Wants End To Online Anonymity

Postby BlueBeacon » Wed May 25, 2011 7:04 am

Hi,

Kaspersky is very good online Security Service. I use it & find Good results. It's really effective, no doubt.
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