Re: Windows 7
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:14 am
I think 50-Calibre AssHole! makes some very good points.
I believe you are referring to WinFS? This was originally announced as part of Microsoft's "Cairo" project back in the early 90's, which was little more than smoke and mirrors to keep people from moving to Apple, Next, or IBM. Cairo was never finished and was mainly used to buy time as Microsoft continued developing NT.SLaX wrote:I attended a MS conference in Tampa FL after I got my MCDST that was for the release of Vista and Office 2007. In one of the workshops they said that Vista was supposed to introduce a new filesystem but that they ran out of time. They promised Vista to be out and decided to put it out still running NTFS. They also said they were going to finally include (sneak) the new filesystem in a service pack update.
You will not be the last person to advocate an OS. While true, most ppl don't understand what an OS is about, I believe I do. I also believe MS is still obviously trying to improve this. I believe closed source development cannot ever achieve what an OS is about. MS tries to make the OS seem as if things are built in and native to windows, but this still isn't entirely true. It's still relying on more 3rd party code for alot of the features you have mentioned, or addins at the least. This, from where im standing, is proving to be fairly problematic on Win7.mfukar wrote:OK, I consider myself the last person to advocate windows or any other OS, because few people really understand what an OS is about, and most stick to the pretty menus and neat effects they see on their N number of switchable desktops... However, having migrated to Windows 7 from XP (was lucky enough to try them beforehand, thank you amazing job) and having made that decision before they even came out, I think you're being biased. Here's why:
Have you compared searching between XP ( ) and 7?
Does XP have any protection against malware?
or full disk encryption?
or applocker?
or DirectX 11?
or powershell?
Have you compared performance on multi-core processors?
Have you seen how fast Windows 7 is on a SSD?
Have you compared the virtualization support? (what? you had to pay for it in XP professional? did I hear that right?)
The new networking API in 7 is just awesome. (I thought I'd mention since I'm already using it a lot)
and the only feature you see as an improvement (UAC) is terribly, terribly broken (it's already easier to exploit than its Vista counterpart implementation).
And yeah, most features have already existed outside an OS for quite some time, but if you're gonna compare OSs...
PS. Haven't seen a bsod since 2004. I'm the last person to take into account on that. :-)
You're very lucky! I used to see them more than I liked on my work laptop (XP SP2 -> SP3) -- having a heap of various work-related software installed didn't help, the chances of conflicts increases with the more shit you have on a system :Pmfukar wrote:PS. Haven't seen a bsod since 2004. I'm the last person to take into account on that.
Isn't the purpose of an OS just as subjective as any other opinion? If not, then what is an OS *really* about?Thor wrote:You will not be the last person to advocate an OS. While true, most ppl don't understand what an OS is about, I believe I do. I also believe MS is still obviously trying to improve this. I believe closed source development cannot ever acheive what an OS is about.
I would agree with this; Windows 7 does look and work similar to previous Windows versions. But this should be a given; MS would be taking a huge risk in making radical changes to Windows at this point.Thor wrote:My first glance was it's looks the same and works similar to lder Win versions. I still believe so today. Is this that far from the truth? Despite your revelations?
Indeed, only time will tell. I find it interesting that I've been using Windows 7 since New Year's, at which time I formatted my Windows Server 2008 desktop install in favour of the leaked Windows 7 beta version. I installed Windows 7 RC once that was made available from MS. And to this point, I haven't had any problems. The word on the internet is that Windows 7 is getting mixed results: some people are having stability issues and software problems, while others are cruising along flawlessly. I'm fortunately part of the latter so don't really have anything negative to say about Windows 7.Thor wrote:My overall personal review is that yes, there has been some improvements. It runs smoother also so far with the exception of the glitches I encountered. Will the improvements stand the test of time and prove to be very good? Only time will tell.
No, of course it isn't. Windows, despite our constant nagging, works (ok, most of the time :P) and I wouldn't expect MS to change that. On the other hand, I consider Win7 an improvement over previous versions of windows, even if it's a slight one.Thor wrote: I try to keep as many differnet OS's, distros and software on hand as possible to compare them, and play with them and ultimatley break them. My first glance was it's looks the same and works similar to lder Win versions. I still believe so today. Is this that far from the truth? Despite your revelations?
Of course, not everyone has the same experience with software, which is why we're having this conversation in the first place. :DThor wrote: Please understand each users experience will differ, I personaly don't use a win based PC for power computing, even with things you have mentioned in 7, it just isn't able to work how I need it to.
I'm sorry if I came off as insulting, I was only trying to point out that when I "take sides" on such topics I'm not vouching for the eyecandy - which I find more impressive on linux, for example, heh. It's just that I've seen people praising Vista just because of Aero and /vomit one too many times.Thor wrote:Believe me when I tell you I have't taken the time to learn the ins and out of my fav disrtos and platforms because of eyecandy. Understand what an OS or software in general is about and you may not be such a MS advocate.
I totally agree.Thor wrote: My overall personal review is that yes, there has been some improvements. It runs smoother also so far with the exception of the glitches I encountered. Could be because it's a new install....Was apparenly desiged to really take advantage of higher end hardware and blah blah. Will the improvements stand the test of time and prove to be very good? Only time will tell.
Is MS still fail regardless, yes. :o
calieigh wrote:Windows 7 is just a combination of Windows-XP and Windows Vista. It looks like Vista and work like XP. Windows 7 includes a number of new features, such as advances in touch and handwriting recognition, support for virtual hard disks, improved performance on multi-core processors, improved boot performance, Direct Access, and kernel improvements. The taskbar has seen the biggest visual changes. One of the biggest new features makes Windows Media Player useful again: you can now stream media files from one Windows 7 computer to another, across the Internet and out of network.
That's one of many new network resource sharing features that are potential vulnerabilities. Fortunately, you have the ability to disable them (streaming media, shared drives, blah blah), and typically they're not an issue if you're running them over a secure home network. Schools and businesses are another matter.Thor wrote:Yes, that PC to PC media stream share was one of the default services running that was causing an open port. Not entirely sure how vulnerable that makes things.
You know that you can use Vista drivers for Win7, right?michaledoughlas wrote:Windows 7 has more non compatibility issues with software than I have ever seen before. Another trip back to the drawing board and return with the drivers for previous software editions either that or be prepared to dish out anywhere from a few hundred to a thousand to replace simple programs, lets hope the future is better, if possible I will return to Vista and even XP..
Windows XP had some rather severe security problems. Microsoft made a tough decision with Vista and 7 to fix some of these security problems, which broke compatibility with some XP programs and drivers. A lot of programs written for XP assume full admin access, which simply will not work on Vista and 7.michaledoughlas wrote:Windows 7 has more non compatibility issues with software than I have ever seen before. Another trip back to the drawing board and return with the drivers for previous software editions either that or be prepared to dish out anywhere from a few hundred to a thousand to replace simple programs, lets hope the future is better, if possible I will return to Vista and even XP..