Will Airsnort detect a wireless network that a laptop wont?

skater_tb · Post by **skater_tb** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:27 pm

Our school has a wireless network for the teachers. I can see the wireless-N router. I brought my laptop (running XP) within probably 25 feet of it but it will not detect the network. The computer tech has done something so that you cant. Would Airsnort detect the wireless signals even the my laptop wont? Is there any othere programs that would work on xp and could detect the signals?
Thanks in Advance.

Aniack · Post by **Aniack** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:06 pm

You're talking about finding WAPs that are not broadcasting their SSIDs. One thing to think about is the fact that no wireless system is safe because they are all transmitting radio waves that can be picked up by anyone in range, regardless of whether or not the WAP is explicitly broadcasting a SSID. One program to think about would be AirJack. Another would be AirMagnet. So on and so on.

skater_tb · Post by **skater_tb** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:28 pm

Thanks Aniack

skater_tb · Post by **skater_tb** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:56 pm

I downloaded Net Stumbler and parked near to where the wireless router was. Net Stumbler did not detect anything. Is it the program that isnt working good or is the computer tech a lot smarter than i thought?
Thanks

Post by **Aiden** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 pm

If I remember right, Net Stumbler just picks up those networks that are broadcasting their ssid to the outside world. What Aniack was talking about was a network that wasn't broadcasting; you have to know about it to see it. Try the programs he mentioned, they should help.

AirJack: http://sourceforge.net/projects/airjack/
AirMagnet: http://www.airmagnet.com/

skater_tb · Post by **skater_tb** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:19 pm

Thanks for the reply drusepth
They seem to both be linux or unix
Is there any of these types of programs that are directly for windows xp?

thanks

Mojodaddy · Post by **Mojodaddy** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:23 pm

You can use the windows version of aircrack if you have a airPcap wireless card. They're only 200 dollars. That's the only wireless chipset that can currently capture packets in windows.

jopiter · Post by **jopiter** » Thu May 31, 2007 5:58 am

Would Airsnort detect the wireless signals even the my laptop wont?

If your hardware doesn't detect the wireless signals, how would you expect any software running on your laptop to detect the signal ?

Az · Post by Az » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:12 am

It's a long shot but it's possible they've got a faraday cage if it's supposed to be specifically for the teachers. Otherwise try making yourself a better antenna (http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html), cuz we can't all afford to buy all this fancy equipment :D.
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Aniack · Post by **Aniack** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:08 pm

Az wrote:It's a long shot but it's possible they've got a faraday cage if it's supposed to be specifically for the teachers. Otherwise try making yourself a better antenna (http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html), cuz we can't all afford to buy all this fancy equipment :D.
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Long shot is an understatement. This is blowing your load out of your window in England trying to give Kim Jong-il a facial.

If you'll note the second post...it's there. It's the number one most likely answer unless the wireless access point is unplugged. I don't know if the last few posters don't know what SSID hiding is but maybe you could google "SSID hiding" before you even start to think about formulating a response.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that he explicitly said that he can SEE the router.

xof7 · Post by **xof7** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:21 pm

Download the aircrack suite from here:
http://download.aircrack-ng.org/aircrack-ng-0.9-win.zip

You need to run airodump-ng and it will show you the access point.

Az · Post by Az » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:19 pm

Aniack:
I did say longshot :P
Anyway i thought he said he couldn't see the router

I brought my laptop (running XP) within probably 25 feet of it but it will not detect the network.

I'm sorry if i missed something.
I guess thats what you mean about the SSID hiding. (I just read an article on it, should have done that before i suppose. *Notes that for the future*)
Az

Kool-Aide · Post by **Kool-Aide** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:08 am

You could pay for it... or you could download AirMagnet full version off a share program like Shareaza or maybe a torrent site. AirMagnet is for windows though. I am not sure if they have a version for linux or not but I know for a fact that is works on Windows XP.

SecureITGroup · Post by **SecureITGroup** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:33 pm

I think that you can use kismet on backtrack show the networks that are not broadcasting there ssids I know that when i fire mine up i can see the mac address and I can also see the other wireless clients connected with that AP and there mac address

Post by **netphreak** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:12 pm

Um... Could you define how you can "see" the network? Your laptop can see it? Or are you able to see the network from some other workstation? If so, it might be that the router is configured for wireless N only, and not B or G, which is what most older laptops have.

telcontar · Post by **telcontar** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:22 am

I can see the wireless-N router. I brought my laptop (running XP) within probably 25 feet of it but it will not detect the network.

I think he means physically seeing it since he says the distance... Or is it too early for me?

If I remember right, Net Stumbler just picks up those networks that are broadcasting their ssid to the outside world. What Aniack was talking about was a network that wasn't broadcasting

Unless a WAP is inactive it is always using a SSID, it has to. Read up on the 802.11 management messages

A brief and concise read

http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/docs/html/ ... hiding.pdf

SecureITGroup · Post by **SecureITGroup** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:10 am

I am going to have to disagree i'm pretty positive you can turn off the ssid, and i am not sure about physically seeing the ap ill wait until another response

telcontar · Post by **telcontar** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:34 am

SecureITGroup wrote:I am going to have to disagree i'm pretty positive you can turn off the ssid

I think you're wrong.

Did you read my source? You're talking about the option in your router config that says 'Don't broadcast my SSID' yes?. 'Turning off' means you're only disabling one of the five broadcast mechanisms (the Beacon) as said in the paper the others are; probe requests and response and association and re-association requests. SSIDs are all present in these.

This is how wireless 'cracking' tools find WAPs that have SSID 'disabled'.

Smokelegend · Post by **Smokelegend** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:49 am

skater_tb wrote:Our school has a wireless network for the teachers. I can see the wireless-N router. I brought my laptop (running XP) within probably 25 feet of it but it will not detect the network. The computer tech has done something so that you cant. Would Airsnort detect the wireless signals even the my laptop wont? Is there any othere programs that would work on xp and could detect the signals?
Thanks in Advance.

Question.......the wireless card on ur laptop....is it wireless-N or G......u'll need to get a N card for N routers...(Wi-Max Capable)

Thor · Post by **Thor** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:49 am

jopiter wrote:
Would Airsnort detect the wireless signals even the my laptop wont?

If your hardware doesn't detect the wireless signals, how would you expect any software running on your laptop to detect the signal ?

Yup, first make sure you have a card that's even compatable with the aircrack suit your going to use. Not all cards have detection capability. Netgear seems to work with most utilities. Linksys cards aren't very good for this id say.

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